Fifth Column
5:19 Mon Aug 17
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... I once destroyed the taps on the sink in my kitchen as I was trying to fix them carefully and then my Mrs said I should just use more force. Against my better judgement I did use more force, it turned out to be excessive. I didn't mean it to be excessive, I just didn't control the force of the impact enough.
I blame my Mrs.
But it was still excessive.
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Fifth Column
5:17 Mon Aug 17
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Wrighty - that's not true, it doesn't say 'deliberate excessive force", just "excessive force". There is absolutely no intent needed at all.
You can argue whether the contact made by Adrian was excessive or not, I would say it was as it "endangered his opponent" which is the rest of the guidance for refs.
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wrighty
5:16 Mon Aug 17
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Fifth
There has to be excessive force to be a red so there would be a degree of intent. This was reckless
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Fifth Column
5:04 Mon Aug 17
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Befnal, the first thing you posted was,
"That only serves to make you as incompetent as that useless cunt!"
So clearly you are saying I don't know what I'm talking about i.e. you are the expert. As you didn't reply to the question then you'll agree there is nothing in the rules about intent.
As a player you are expected to have a reasonable awareness of where other players are or might be. In your example, diving headers are relatively uncommon in the game so the ref may think that it was not reasonable to expect a defender to forsee someone sticking their head 6 inches off the ground and so if the defender then accidentally made contact then it MAY not be a sending off.
In this case, Adrian just went in studs up over someone's waist. It is not unreasonable to expect a player to realise there may be someone behind him standing upright.
Perhaps at an appeal they may conclude it would not be reasonable to expect Adrian to forsee someone could have been standing behind him. It's possible but it's not likely. It was a rash thing to do that an outfield player is unlikely to have done.
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Befnal
4:49 Mon Aug 17
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Fifth Column 4:15 Mon Aug 17
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'As you are clearly an expert, where in the Laws of Association Football...'
I think you'll find that it was you who set yourself up as an expert, not me! I'm merely an ex semi-pro, coach and watcher of 45 years standing, so what would I know?
So by your logic, a defender attempting to clear a ball a ball connects with the head of an opponent who is attempting a diving header means you would send the defender off? Where's the difference? If a player makes an action and is totally unaware that an opponent is in the vicinity, then connects with said opponent, it's a red card is it? No wonder these cunts get so much stick!
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Fifth Column
4:20 Mon Aug 17
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Wrighty
I don't want to sound like Wenger but I didn't see that one, I turned away from the match for a second and looked back and just saw the end of contact being made and Adrian on the floor.
At the time I thought "that's a sending off" but as I didn't really see the incident properly I wasn't sure.
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wrighty
4:18 Mon Aug 17
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Fair enough fifth but how is that different from the vardy challenge in the same game?
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Fifth Column
4:15 Mon Aug 17
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Befnal
As you are clearly an expert, where in the Laws of Association Football does it mention whether an offence is accidental or not in terms of if a red card is awarded or not.
He went studs up above the waist. I quite agree it was not intentional. That's irrelevant.
He endangered the safety of his opponent which is key to "serious foul play".
If we appealed and he got off I'd be astonished.
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wrighty
3:45 Mon Aug 17
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It was his stomach and not his chest, there was no real force in the challenge either so it wasn't excessive. Yellow card, same as the vardy one in the first half.
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Rossal
3:45 Mon Aug 17
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Agree Marston
The decisions are made at the appeals basis the rules. Not opinion.
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Marston Hammer
3:39 Mon Aug 17
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Befnal 3:35 Mon Aug 17
If you go in studs up into an opponents chest it's dangerous play, regardless of where you're looking, and a red card.
I'd be amazed if it was rescinded.
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Befnal
3:35 Mon Aug 17
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Fifth Column 3:17 Mon Aug 17
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'I am a qualified ref, I would have sent him off for that.'
That only serves to make you as incompetent as that useless cunt!
At no point did Adrian take his eyes off the ball, things happen in a game that are purely accidental, not like the deliberate elbow on Costa in yesterday's game, yet. bizarrely, he only got a yellow for!
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Sven Roeder
3:18 Mon Aug 17
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Schmeichel actually spreads his arms as Sahko goes past him to impede him when he realises the ball has got past.
Often in that situation there is a collision as the keeper obviously cant just disappear and here I am guessing the ref is watching the ball and assumes it is accidental.
A 30 sec review via the 4th official with a tv would have got the right decision.
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Fifth Column
3:17 Mon Aug 17
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Vinny
That's interesting, his initial post match comment was that it was a red card but it wasn't intentional and he hoped the ref's report would reflect that so he'd not get an extended ban.
I am a qualified ref, I would have sent him off for that. Whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant under the laws of the game in relation to if it's "serious foul play"... intent is only relevant to the potential punishment.
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Vinny
3:15 Mon Aug 17
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Did Bilic say it was 100% a red?
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/west-ham-set-to-appeal-adrian-red-card-a2871646.html
West Ham are expected to appeal Adrian’s red card against Leicester.
The goalkeeper was sent off late in the game following a challenge on striker Jamie Vardy.
Slaven Bilic afterwards insisted that any offence was unintentional and the club, after reviewing the footage, now look likely to appeal referee Anthony Taylor’s decision.
Speaking after their defeat on Sunday, Bilic admitted it ‘could have been seen as a red card’ before bemoaning the referee’s decision to not award his side a penalty.
"We lost the game in the first half, we were better in the second," Bilic told reporters.
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Fifth Column
3:11 Mon Aug 17
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Adrian's card was different to Carlton's in that match. It was a red card offence 100% certain. Bilic said the same.
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Vinny
3:05 Mon Aug 17
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The Everton game when he sent off Carlton Cole and Darren Gibson a few seasons ago still baffles me.
Both were never red cards, both were rescinded. Both were similar (especially Coles) to this Adrian sending off.
This referee has constantly had his red cards nullified yet no one seems to make any mention of it in the media.
I know referees will make mistakes but if one of them is constantly getting it wrong I just cannot see how he continues to take charge of top flight games.
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Fifth Column
2:59 Mon Aug 17
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Sniper/Russ
Sorry but your statements are wrong. There was clearly contact which even the ref must have seen. The ref's opinion will probably be what mine was in "real time"... that Schmeical had come out, Sakho touched it past him and then accidentally run into him without any intention from either side i.e. the keeper didn't mean to bring him down or make a movement towards him whilst Sakho didn't deliberately dive. In that case, it was neither a penalty nor simulation.
Having said all that, after watching it back again, the keeper actually could have started to move his arms out of the way but didn't. He kept them out to take Sakho down so it should have been a penalty. But in real time I thought Sakho just ran into him and that the keeper couldn't have done anything about it.
As said below, it's the lack of injury time that is plain wrong. Under the rules of the game there should have been 3 mins injury time just for the subs and the goal. Then he should have added on all the time they time-wasted but he didn't add on one single second for it
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El Scorchio
2:56 Mon Aug 17
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More than that. They were doing it as early as about 40 minutes.
Disgusting he let them get away with so much of it without brandishing a card, before adding basically no time on for it at the end. In fact, he didn't even add enough time for all the subs and the goal. Should have been 3.30 just for those.
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crystal falace
2:52 Mon Aug 17
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what really annoyed me about him was that he completely let Leicester time waste from about 65 minutes onwards, that one corner where nobody went over to take it for about 45 seconds and then mahrez slowly trotted over and the ref said nothing! then only 3 minutes of added time after 5 subs aswell!
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Russ of the BML
10:27 Mon Aug 17
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Sniper 9:26 Sun Aug 16
Spot on. If it's not a pen then it has to be simulation. It can't be neither.
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